58 Jesus The Son of God or GodtheSon.  Issues Are a Created Son Jesus Versus The Uncreated Son Jesus Mixed with Homoousion-Theology

58 Is about The Reason Why Most Churches Teach People That Jesus Is God. (Includes Review and Self Test)  

                                                        Who’s Testimony is Right About***Jesus***?

JesusYour’s?  Or the The Nicene Council Members?  325/381 A.D or C.E & ucg.org Compare wiki/Apostles_Creed -John-1-1-18.

SBT-Has The Facts--For You To Feel a Part of What Was Discussed For The Nicene Council Members To Come To Their Conclusion.

SBT has started with an unbiased Conclusion. Read this Important Introduction. We Are In The Communications Age

This Means YOU Have Access to Historical Truths Never Available Before to the General Common Public.

The Nicene Council Members Reason to their Logic-The Nicene Creeds Essentially (Declared)

Concluded That Jesus Had To Be GOD Because of the Things He Performed

And They Concluded That Only GOD Can Be Their Savior. You Decide? It is your Free-Will Study-

It appears that certain scriptures were quoted but not by numbers—BECAUSE-the Bible had not been written that way yet

See AllCaps.htm-- more on that a few lines down. The unbiased Conclusion Starts a few lines below--and You Can Study the Linked Facts. Get Both Views of Logic  

Examples 1 and 2 --Example-1 Quoting Jesus- For whosoever shall save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake shall find it. What emperor or General ever announced a proposition like that? These words forcibly imply, even demand, an understanding that Christ is GOD. Only GOD could make good on such a promise.  Open BCC Matt 16:25. 16:26. Example-2 John5-26-17-30Commentary --the R278 Jews making R280 Himself (JESUS) equal with God. open John5-26-17-30. Verse 26 "For R300 just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave R301 to the Son also to have life in Himself;  The Main Question To Decide Is. –Did the Nicene Creed Makers know more about Jesus then He did of Himself?                       

And always keep in mind that the Nicene Council Members did not have the Printed Bible as We have Today For Reference--All they had was Scrolls and Rolls hand Written in all Capital Letters with No Separation of Words --Paragraphs or any punctuation marks –Details in AllCaps.htm

You have the right and the Free-Will gift of God to examine all that this Library has made accessible for you –as FREE-WILL Compare Acts  17:11 and- Imitate.htm. CommunicationsAge.htm. Who’s Testimony is Right About Jesus ***Jesus *** or others?

SBT Conclusion Then You Can Study the Linked Facts-Unbiased  Conclusion Start—

Between the Orthodox and the Arian view one can see more than the surface issues of a created versus an uncreated Son. The Orthodox view described grace as the entry into a stable order in which creation had reached a new redeemed existence. This was in harmony with a view of Christ as unchangeable and the eternal Son of God. The Arian view saw grace as the empowerment by which people might advance morally. This was in harmony with the Arian view of a created savior that had advanced himself, and was rewarded for his obedience. Therefore, how people lived their lives, in terms of salvation and holiness, was determined by these views, each essentially linked to its particular party's Christology. Bishops were confronted, then, with two systems that, although each had roots extending back into earliest Christianity, were essentially new and different from the Christianity of previous centuries, and offered very different interpretations of the Scriptures and reality.

Such, then, is early Arianism in its barest form. It was for Arius' opponents a horrible system of beliefs, and Arius' two chief opponents, Athanasius of Alexandria and Alexander of Alexandria, found no shortage of words in their opposition to it. Yet, even those who early on in the movement found fault in the teachings of Arius and his followers, would have to admit that Arianism had an appealing, rational logic to it. As can be ascertained from above, it did, to some extent, bring about a return of Christian doctrine to the Jewish notion of God as 'artisan.' Arius' doctrine of a 'created' Son certainly seemed to be in harmony with both the Old and New Testaments, which still showed an influence of a more distinctly Jewish notion of God. Arianism was popular because it had dramatically simplified the confusing Greek notion of God as 'begetter,' and put an end to the vague teachings of Origen that had predominated in the Church until Arius' day. Whether Arianism was biblically accurate or not is debatable; for the simple layman and the learned intellectual alike, however, it made sense.

From 4points FourMainPoints.htm —also see Ulfilas  To Feel More a Part of What Was Discussed

Study Facts (1)-in FourMainPoints.htm  and all the below to get the whole story.

(learned intelligence). Man and Spirit Beings (angels) are Made in God’s image—Intelligent Sentient Beings. Man is Capable of Perceiving God’s Existence and His only begotten Son’s Existence through the Inspired Holy Scriptures Only (Biblical-Theology only with no unbiblical words) Plus The Order of how Life and LIes.htm 30.htm came into existence as recorded Through the Holy Scriptures. BiblicalLOGISTICS of God being alone at one time and then deciding to (cause) Bring Forth Life –(Prov8-22.htm--Psalms36-9.htm) With God’s --FirstBorn Son Which helped Him construct all Sentient Beings and material things that humans can see and can not see.PreExistenceOfChrist.htm--JesusHasTwoBeginningsBothScriptural.htm

Who’s Testimony is Right About ***Jesus *** Hebrews 5:8

Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 5:9

And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, Open In Context

                                              

                  Arius pointed out many scriptural facts- -Arianism

But-The Main Study Is These Articles DenyingJesusLife.htm is DenyingJesus.htm

and How Life Started is not about Arianism -

It is about Jesus’ own Testimony---And That is what counts for truth. Jesus Said

I-- I have come into the world, to R1410 testify to the truth. Everyone R1411 who is of the truth hears My voice." JN 18:37

Did Jesus Lie When He Quotes The Word I. You have to Decide BiblesTwoTypes.htm-- GodtheSon.htm

Main Question To Decide Is. –Did the Nicene Creed Makers know more about Jesus then He did of Himself? (learned intelligence)

Did Jesus Lie about what He Learned?

 Was Jesus a Liar about Who He Said He Was and Is?---Rev-1.1 Versus the incomprehensible Jn 1:1 Rendering –the word was God That Most Modern Bible Publishers Print ---Compared (JOHN1onePLUS.htm) to the word was a god----which is comprehensible and in harmony with verses Jn 1:14 and Verse 1:18. ***Jn 1-18*** has been changed in many new Bibles.

Open- JOHN3-16.htm & ComputerCheck.htm OnlyBegotten.htm

Study JOHN1onePLUS.htm  and Rev-1.1 –The  ALPHAandTheOMEGA.htm—And The EternalSonOfGod.htm---TheEternalOne.htm.

DenyingJesusLife.htm is DenyingJesus.htm Which One Is Not Real - SatanOrJesus.htm-- AAIsJesusRealToYouPart2.htm-- AFact.htm

And always keep in mind that the Nicene Council Members did not have the Printed Bible as We have Today –For Reference –

All they had was Scrolls and Rolls hand Written in all Capital Letters with No Separation of Words --Paragraphs or any punctuation marks –Deetails in AllManuscriptsWereWrittenInAllCaps.htm

Who’s Testimony is Right ***Jesus*** or The Trinitarian/Oneness Commentaries.

Jesus Testifies about Himself. Study-JesusTestifiesPlus.htm  And GodsTestimonyOfHisRealSon.htm

Who’s Testimony is Right About ***Jesus ***

                    Some Imaginations of God’s Head Study Images.htm

Trinitarian/Oneness Commentators down through the years have done their best to try make many verses insinuate (imply) that Jesus is GOD; most possibly Out of Fear of being executed Example –open Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture Scroll down and read under Historical background of Sir Isaac Newton On The Bible Also open Sir Isaac Newton On The Bible and some Bible Publishers have printed spurious verses. Plus more in 30.htm and 36.htm Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture  

JOHN3-16 Begotten Is No Longer In Many New Bibles

The Most Popular Verse in All of Proclaimed Christianity---John 3-16 John3-16.htm CommunicationsAge.htm---

What Happen to the Words Only Begotten

 (in John 1-18) in Many New  Bibles---List in Study ComputerCheck.htm and  John3-16.htm

 

 Substance." (Substance in Heb1-3.htm) Greek Homoousion

The word that made Jesus God Study Homoousion ( plus History of Constantine 1&2 in C + C1.htm

To The Original Text and You Can Learn Biblical Mythology---- Images

Compare Biblical-Theology.htm of GOD--Mythology

The False--Images Of God’s Head Study Images of God’s Head.

  Joh 10:30  I and the Father are one.             

 Oneness in Truth That Jesus has with His God and Father –

-Then We All Will Be One With The Father in Truth.

There are clear differences between mental perceptions and physical things. Oneness.htm

Is oneness in the Bible 8.htm and 5.htm

 

Plus Others-are Apologetics-- And Christian Institutions --Here is a Very important note.

Always Keep In Mind That Most all If Not all Proclaimed Christian Groups and individuals Base their

Statement of Faith (s) and/or Beliefs *from* the Bible Translations They Rely Upon *for *Truth.There

are Two Types of Christian Bibles Study BiblesTwoTypes.htm -- Open PlusOthers.htm

Statement of Faith (s) STATEMENTsAboutManyChurchesBeliefsUpdated.htm--

 

If you are reading from a Bible Translation that makes God a mystery –try reading from the Bibles in B2

and check all Bibles Preface.htm.   Is God a Mystery According to The Scriptures?

Who Makes God A Mystery---Study--MysteryVersesPlusMore.htm  

And Free-Will in BottomLine in CommentaryNote.htmPlus what is Valid in Biblical-Theology of GOD

Who’s Testimony is Right About ***Jesus ***

Theology of GOD in Harmony from Gen 1:26 3:22 Prov8-22 to Rev 1:1 11:1 Rev22-16-21 and Heb 13:8.Matt 28:18 .

Tradition Plus Verses –2 of 3—1 is MysteryVersesPlusMore.htm 3 is Imitate.htm

 

Who Do You Imitate -----Man Made Traditions --or Jesus’ Teacchings and

His Apostles Teachings –Rev Rev22-16-21.htm 22:16-6-19 ( click [In Context|)

                                

If You Believe a Lie You will Positively Die—

as did Adam and Eve—Gen 3-3-4;19 If we were perfect we wouldn’t need to be Christians or Jesus’ ransom.

Rev 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters

and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

If you believe a lie and then teach that lie YOU become a liar. More details in Study 30.htm and

BiblesTwoTypes.htm-- Study Lies.htm  and the meaning of being Blasphemous.htm

 

Review and Self Test--in page 59.htm-- But there is a little more to read.

 

Open 2 Tim 3:17- 3:16

FREEasGOD.htm

Jn 5:30 NASB

"I can do nothing * on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Jn 8:28

So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.

Jn 8:42

Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.

Jn 10:18

"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

Jn 12:49

"For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

Jn 14:10

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

Jn 16:13

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

Jn 18:34

Jesus answered, "Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?"

http://www.searchgodsword.org/desk/?l=en&query=initiative&section=0&translation=nas&sr=1&Enter=Perform+Search

 

ATS Bible Dictionary Tradition

Colossians 2:8 Titus 1:14, a doctrine, sentiment, or custom not found in the Bible, but transmitted orally from generation to generation from some presumed inspired authority. In patriarchal times, much that was valuable and obligatory was thus preserved. But tradition has long been superseded by the successive and completed revelations of God’s will which form the inspired Scriptures, Some Other Verses Quoted 2 Thessalonians 2:15 3:6, Revelation 22:19. Matthew 15:1-20 Mark 7:1-13. Isaiah 8:20

Since The Completed Bible there have been only Translators and Commentators-- Rev22-16-21.

The apostles were essentially saying no more Doctrines are needed .What is needed (Today) is

Good Bible Teachers to explain the Words God has already provided for us.

Open 2Th 2:15 - In Context | Read Chapter | Discuss this Verse ]
Original: Greek | Multi-Translation | Make Poster ]

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

Tradition Plus Verses –2 of 3—1 is MysteryVersesPlusMore.htm 3 is Imitate.htm

 

Where Were the Nicene Council Members When God Was Creating Things. Open Where.htm

Nicene Creeds In BiblePublishersAccountableToWho.htm

2 Pet1:20

1John 5:9 NASB. 9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater;

for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son (Mt 3:17Mr 1:11 Lu 3:22)

Cross References Lu 9:36 Jn 12:2812:29.  Pet 1:17   Full article in TrinityReferenceLibrary2.htm

Jehovah is the Source.htm behind all life and that includes Jesus

SbtsCommentaryNote.htm

STATEMENTsAboutManyChurchesBeliefsUpdated.htm

SonsOfGod.htm

  

Denying Jesus Life DenyingJesusLife.htm is DenyingJesus.htm (Open)-AFact.htm--Life.htm and AntiChrist.htm

 

Who Makes God A Mystery-- --MysteryVersesPlusMore.htm  Plus Which One Is Not Real—Satan or Jesus SatanOrJesus.htm

 

 (ASV)  and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.

 

(CEV)  But when someone doesn't say this about Jesus, you know that person has a spirit that doesn't come from God and is the enemy of Christ. You knew that this enemy was coming into the world and now is already here.

 

(GNB)  But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the Spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already.

 

(GW)  But every person who doesn't declare that Jesus Christ has come as a human has a spirit that isn't from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that you have heard is coming. That spirit is already in the world.

 

(ISV)  But every spirit who does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist. You have heard that he is coming, and now he is already in the world.

 

(KJV)  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

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(LITV)  And every spirit which does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the antichrist which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

 

(MKJV)  and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the antichrist you heard is coming, and even now is already in the world.

 

(MSG)  And everyone who refuses to confess faith in Jesus has nothing in common with God. This is the spirit of antichrist that you heard was coming. Well, here it is, sooner than we thought!

 

(NSB)  Every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that you heard was coming and now it is already in the world.

 

The KJV Strong's Version

 Book of 1 John

Chapter 4  -  Read Chapter

4:3 - [In Context

And every spirit that confesseth (5719) not that Jesus Christ is come (5756) in the flesh is (5748) not of God: and this is (5748) that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard (5754) that it should come (5736); and even now already is it (5748) in the world.

 

John 10:1-18

1 "Truly, truly I tell you, the person who does not enter the sheepfold through the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a bandit. 2 The one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 It is to him the gatekeeper opens the gate, and it is his voice the sheep hear. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has driven out all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him because they do not recognize the voice of strangers." 6 Jesus used this illustration with them, but they didn't understand what he was saying to them. 7 So again Jesus said, "Truly, truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who came before me F179 are thieves and bandits, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the gate. If anyone enters through me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. R281 10 The thief comes only to steal, slaughter, and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it abundantly. 11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down F180 his life for the sheep. R282 12 The hired hand, who is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, deserts the sheep, and runs away. So the wolf snatches them and scatters them. R283 13 For he is a hired hand, and the sheep do not matter to him. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, R284 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father. And I lay down F181 my life for the sheep. R285 16 I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must lead these also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock and one shepherd. R286 17 This is why the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it back again. R287 18 No one is taking it from me; I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This is a command that I have received from my Father." R288

Read more about a different spirit in Trindirty.htm

Study FREEasGOD.htm

The Holy Verses Clearly Read that Jesus’ Father and God made (created) His only begotten Son as the First of His Creations.

Theology in Harmony from Gen 1:26 3:22 Prov8-22 to Rev 1:1 11:1 Rev22-16-21 and Heb 13:8.Matt 28:18 .

God has made HIM

Da 9:25

"So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two * weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

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Acts

2:36

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ --this Jesus whom you crucified."

asfalwv oun ginwsketw (5720) pav oikov Israhl oti kai kurion auton kai Xriston epoihsen (5656) o qeov, touton ton Ihsoun on umeiv estaurwsate. (5656

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