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Next Here is -- God,
"god" is a very relative term--
Angels were referred
to as God, even Jehovah. You will find that when God first communicated with
Moses he appeared in a burning bush. And an angel spoke from the
bush. (Exodus 3:2) and the "angel" said to Moses:
"And he went on to say: 'I am the God of your father, the God
of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.' Then Moses
concealed his face, because he was afraid to look at the [true]
God." (Exodus 3:5,6) Jehovah was still invisible
in the heavens, but, he sent an angel to represent him.
The angel was God to Moses.
Again, at Psalm 82:1 it reads: "God is
stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; (or
"God"- Hebrew Masoretic text; or "gods"- LXX; or
"angels" - Syriac Peshitta Version) In the middle of the
gods (godlike ones- Hebrew; "elohim" or
"theoi- LXX or "angels"- Syriac (see Psalm 8:5, footnote
b) Or according to the Targums- "judges.") he
judges:" (Psalm 82:1)
Even Satan is a god.(2 Corinthians 4:4)
Jehovah made Moses a god to pharaoh (Exodus 7:1) Moses was not a false
god. He was a messenger of God, or the word of God, much the same way
Jesus was.
1 Corinthians 8:5 says: For though there be that are
called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords
many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and
we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we
through him.
How others have viewed angels and men as gods:
"The pre-Arian discussion of the Angel-Christology did not turn simply on
the question whether Christ was an angel, but on another issue, namely, in what
sense could he, as an angel, rank as God. The explanation which was offered by
the supporters of the Angel-Christology was that Christ, according to his
nature, was a high angel, but that he was named 'God'; for the designation
'God' was ambiguous. The word 'God' did mean, in the first place, the absolute
divine omnipotence but it was also used for the beings who served this deus
verus [Latin, 'god true'= (the) true God]. That these were designated 'gods'
implies reverence and recognition of Him who sent them and whom they thus
represented. Consequently in the Scriptures (Exod. xxii, 28), not only
angels, but even men could be called 'gods' [cf. Ps. 8:5; Heb. 2:7, 9; Ps.
82:6, 7; John
I said you are gods. Scripture gives
the name of gods to those on whom God has conferred an honourable office. He
whom God has separated, to be distinguished above all others [His Son] is far
more worthy of this honourable title ... The passage which Christ quotes [at
John 10:34] is in Psalm lxxxii [82], 6, I have said, You are gods, and all of
you are children of the Most High; where God expostulates with the kings and
judges of the earth, who tyrannically abuse the authority and power for their
own sinful passions, for oppressing the poor, and for every evil action ...
Christ applies this to the case in hand, that they receive the name of gods,
be- cause they are God's ministers for governing the world. For the same reason
Scripture calls the angels gods, because by them the glory of God beams forth
on the world ... In short, let us know that magistrates are called gods,
because God has given them authority."-John Calvin, Commentary on the
Gospel According to John, p. 419, 20.
"We have learned that those only are deified who have
lived near to God in holiness and virtue."-Justin Martyr, The First
Apology Of Justin, chapter XXI (21);
"For we cast blame upon Him, because we have not been
made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length
gods;"-Irenaeus, Irenaeus Against Heresies, Book IV (4), chapter XXXVIII
(38), § 4;
"[the Son] having bestowed on us the truly great,
divine, and inalienable inheritance of the Father, deifying man by heavenly
teaching,"-Clement of Alexandria, Exhortation To The Heathen (or, The
Greeks, or, The Gentiles), chapter XI (11);
"But let us, O children of the Father-nurslings of the
good Instructor [Christ]-fulfil the Father's will ... and meditating on the
heavenly mode of life according to which we have been deified, let us anoint
ourselves with the perennial, immortal bloom of gladness."-Clement of
"The Creator did not wish to make him [mankind] a god,
and failed in His aim; nor an angel-be not deceived-but a man. For if He had
wished to make thee a god, He could have done so. Thou hast the example of the
Logos [the Word, the Son]"-Hippolytus, The Refutation Of All Heresies,
Book X (10), chapter XXIX (29);
"And thou shalt be a companion of the Deity, and a
co-heir with Christ, no longer enslaved by lusts or passions, and never again
wasted by disease. For thou hast become God ... For the Deity, (by
condescension,) does not diminish aught of the dignity of His divine
perfection; having made thee even God unto His glory!"-ibid., chapter XXX
(30); ibid., p. 153.
"If, therefore, man has become immortal, he will also
be God. And if he is made God by water and by the Holy Spirit after the
regeneration of the laver he is found to be also joint-heir with Christ after
the resurrection of the dead."-Hippolytus, Discourse On The Holy
Theophany, § 8;
"For He [the Son of God] was made man that we might be
made God."-Athanasisus, Incarnation Of The Word, (De Incarnatione Verbi
Dei), The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Edinburgh, T&T Clark; Grand
Rapids, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.; Second Series, Vol. IV (4), p.
65, reprinting of October, 1987. "For He has become Man,
that He might deify us in Himself, and He has been
born of a woman, and begotten of a Virgin
in order to transfer to Himself our erring generation, and that we may become henceforth
a holy race, and 'partakers of the Divine Nature,' as blessed Peter
wrote. (2 Peter 1:4)-Athanasius, Letters of Athanasius, (Lx. Ad Adelphiun),
60.4; ibid., p. 576.
True as Opposed to False
In John 1:9 Jesus is called the "True Light". But yet his disciples
are also called "Light"(Matt
Jesus is called the "Faithful and
Trinity is Latin?!
Actually, trinity is an english translation of the latin word trinitas, WHICH
COMES FROM THE GREEK
Theocratic Kingdom!?
This actually is in the Bible. Theocratic means "god-rule". Theos and
God are certainly in the bible....as is rule...as is God's Kingdom and the
Kingdom of God(Daniel 2:44;Matthew 6:33; 12:28 etc. The trinity, or even the
idea of a Triune God IS NOT in the
the bible.
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MY LORD
Teachers
of the Trinity doctrine will argue that the Godship of Jesus Christ is proved
by the words of the apostle Thomas in John 20:28.
Thomas had told the other apostles that he
would not believe that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead until Jesus materialized
before him and let him put his finger in the print of the nails by which he had
been fastened to the stake and until he thrust his hand into Jesus’ side, where
a Roman soldier had jabbed him with a spear to make sure of Jesus’ death. So
the following week Jesus reappeared to the apostles and told Thomas to do as he
had said, to convince himself. “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord
and my God.” (AV) In the original Greek text this expression literally
reads, word for word: “The Lord of me and the God of me.”
So the trinitarians argue that Thomas’
expression “the God” spoken to Jesus proved that Jesus was the very God, a God
of three Persons. However, Professor C. F. D. Moule says that the article the
before the noun God may not be significant so as to mean such a thing.
Regardless of that fact, let us take into account the situation back there to
be sure of what the apostle Thomas meant.
Less than two weeks previously Thomas had
heard Jesus pray to his heavenly Father and say: “This is life eternal, that
they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”
(John 17:3, AV) On the fourth day after that prayer, or on his day of
resurrection, Jesus sent a special message to Thomas and the other disciples by
means of Mary Magdalene. “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mary Magdalene came
and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these
things unto her.” (John 20:17, 18, AV) So from Jesus’ prayer and from
this message through Mary Magdalene, Thomas knew who his own God was. His God
was not Jesus Christ, but his God was the God of Jesus Christ. Also his Father
was the Father of Jesus Christ. Thus Thomas knew that Jesus had a God whom he
worshiped, namely, his heavenly Father.
How,
then, could Thomas in an ecstasy of joy at seeing the resurrected Jesus for the
first time burst out with an exclamation and speak to Jesus himself as being
the one and only living, true God, the God whose name is Jehovah? How could
Thomas, by what he spoke, mean that Jesus was himself “the only true God” or
that Jesus was God in the Second Person of a Trinity? In view of what Thomas
had heard from Jesus and had been told by Jesus, how can we read such a meaning
into Thomas’ words: “My Lord and my God”?
Jesus would have reproved Thomas if Jesus had
understood that Thomas meant that he, Jesus, was “the only true God” whom Jesus
had called “my God” and “my Father.” Certainly Jesus would not take a title
away from God his Father or take away the unique position from God his Father.
Since Jesus did not reprove Thomas as if addressing him in a wrong way, Jesus
knew how to understand Thomas’ words, Scripturally. And so did the apostle
John.
John
was there and heard Thomas exclaim: “My Lord and my God.” Did John say that the
only thing for us to conclude from Thomas’ words was that Jesus was God, “the
only true God” whose name is Jehovah? (Ps. 35:23, 24) Here would have been an
excellent place for John to explain John 1:1 and say that Jesus Christ, who was
the Word made flesh, was God himself, that he was “God the Son, the Second
Person of the Blessed Trinity.” But is that the conclusion that John reached?
Is that the conclusion to which John brings his readers? Listen to the
conclusion that John wants us to reach:
“Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou
hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet
have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his
disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye
might believe.” That we might believe what? “That Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”—John 20:29-31,
AV.
In
his life account of Jesus John wrote the things to persuade us to believe, not
that Jesus is God, that Christ is God, or that Jesus is “God the Son,” but that
“Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” The trinitarians designedly twist things
by saying “God the Son.” But we take John’s explanation the way that he words
it, namely, “Christ, the Son of God.” We follow John to the same conclusion
that he reached, that Jesus is the Son of the One whom Jesus calls “my Father”
and “my God,” in this same twentieth chapter of John. Hence Thomas was not
worshiping “God the Father” and “God the Son” at one and the same time as
equals in a “triune God.”
Thomas worshiped the
same God whom Jesus Christ worshiped, namely, Jehovah God, the Father. So if
Thomas addressed Jesus as “my God,” Thomas had to recognize Jesus’ Father as
the God of a God, hence as a God higher than Jesus Christ, a God whom Jesus
himself worshiped. Revelation 4:1-11 gives a symbolic description of this God,
the “Lord God Almighty,” who sits upon the heavenly throne and who lives
forever and ever; but the next chapter, Revelation 5:1-8, describes Jesus
Christ as the Lamb of God who comes to the Lord God Almighty on his throne and
takes a scroll out of God’s hand. This illustrates the meaning of Jesus’ words
to Thomas and the other apostles: “I go unto the Father: for my Father is
greater than I.” (John 14:28, AV) Jesus thus recognized his Father as
the Lord God Almighty, without an equal, greater than his Son
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SIR ISAAC NEWTON ON THE BIBLE
by
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Below are excerpts from "A Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture".
"When they got the Trinity; into his edition they threw by their manuscript, if they had one, as an almanac out of date. And can such shuffling dealings satisfy considering men?....It is rather a danger in religion than an advantage to make it now lean on a broken reed.
"In all the vehement universal and lasting controversy about the Trinity in Jerome's time and both before and long enough after it, this text of the "three in heaven" was never once thought of. It is now in everybody’s mouth and accounted the main text for the business and would assuredly have been so too with them, had it been in their books.
"Let them make good sense of it who are able. For my part, I can make none. If it be said that we are not to determine what is Scripture what not by our private judgments, I confess it in places not controverted, but in disputed places I love to take up with what I can best understand. It is the temper of the hot and superstitious art of mankind in matters of religion ever to be fond of mysteries, and for that reason to like best what they understand least. Such men may use the Apostle John as they please, but I have that honour for him as to believe that he wrote good sense and therefore take that to be his which is the best." [1]
"In all the times of the hot and lasting Arian controversy it never came into play....they that read "God manifested in the flesh" think it one of the most obvious and pertinent texts for the business."
"The word Deity imports exercise of dominion over subordinate beings and the word God most frequently signifies Lord. Every lord is not God. The exercise of dominion in a spiritual being constitutes a God. If that dominion be real that being is the real God; if it be fictitious, a false God; if it be supreme, a supreme God." [1]
Issac
Newton was born in
Reference
1. A. Wallace, "Anti-Trinitarian Biographies," Vol.
Other
Related References
2.
3. Green, "Sir Isaac Newton's Views," 1871.
4.
5. MacLachlan, "The Religious Opinions of
6. Channing, W.E., "The Character and Writing of
7. M. `Ata ur-Rahim, "Jesus: A Prophet of Islam," 1983.
Some other famous Unitarians in Christianity are:
Milton (1608-1674), John Locke (1632-1704), John Biddle (1615-1662), Michael
Servetus (1511-1553), Francis David (1510-1579), Lelio Francesco Maria Sozini
(1525-1562), Fausto Paolo Sozini (Socianus, 1539-1604), Thomas Emlyn
(1663-1741), Theophilus Lindsey (1723-1808), Joseph Priestly (1733-1804), and
William Ellery Channing (1780-1842). Among the most famous early Unitarians in
Christianity are: Arius (250-336 A.D.), Iranaeus (130-200), Tertullian
(160-220), Origen (185-254), Diodorus, and Lucian (d. 312). Their biographies
are contained in References 1 and 7.
Below is a brief account of a famous physician and a
scientist, before and after
Michael Servetus (1511-1553), born in
Theophilus Lindsey is known as the organiser of the
first Unitarian congregation in
For another perspective on Sir Isaac Newton's activities, visit an external link Isaac Newton.
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1.2.2.6 John 1:1
Another verse quoted in defense of the "Trinity" is the verse of John 1:1 :
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
When I first learned of this verse it appeared to me that I had finally found my elusive goal. However, after substantial research into Christian theological literature, I would later come to learn that this verse too can not be interpreted to justify a "triune" God. My own experience has shown that this verse is the one most popularly quoted by most Christians in defense of the Trinity. For this reason I shall spend a little more time in it's analysis than in the analysis of the other verses.
First of all, it is quite obvious from simply reading the above verse that even in the very best case, this verse speaks only of a "Duality" not a "Trinity." Even the most resolute conservative Christian will never claim to find in this verse any mention whatsoever of a "merging" of a Holy Ghost with God and "the Word." So even if we were to accept this verse at face value and just have faith, even then, we find ourselves commanded to believe in a "Duality" and not a "Trinity." But let us see if this verse does in fact even command us to believe in a "Duality." To do this we need to notice the following points:
1) Mistranslation of the text:
In the "original" Greek manuscripts (Did the disciple John speak Greek?), "The Word" is only described as being "ton theos"(divine/a god) and not as being "ho theos" (The Divine/The God). A more faithful and correct translation of this verse would thus read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine" (If you read the New World Translation of the Bible you will find exactly this wording).
Similarly, in "The New Testament, An American Translation" this verse is honestly presented as
"In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine."
The
New Testament, An American Translation, Edgar Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith,
The
And again in the dictionary of the Bible, under the heading of "God" we read
"Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated 'the word was with the God [=the Father], and the word was a divine being.'"
The Dictionary of the Bible by John McKenzie, Collier Books, p. 317
In yet another Bible we read:
"The Logos (word) existed in the very beginning, and the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine"
The Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments, by Dr. James Moffatt
Please also see "The Authentic New Testament" by Hugh J. Schonfield and many others.
If we look at a different verse, 2 Corinthians 4:4, we find the exact same word (ho theos) that was used in John 1:1 to describe God Almighty is now used to describe the devil, however, now the system of translation has been changed:
"the god of this world (the Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not."
According to the system of the previous verse and the English language, the translation of the description of the Devil should also have been written as "The God" with a capital "G." If Paul was inspired to use the exact same words to describe the Devil, then why should we change it? Why is "The God" translated as simply "the god" when referring to the devil, while "divine" is translated as the almighty "God" when referring to "The Word"? Are we now starting to get a glimpse of how the "translation" of the Bible took place?
Well, what is the difference between saying "the word was God," and between saying "the word was a god (divine)"? Are they not the same? Far from it! Let us read the bible:
"I have said, Ye (the Jews) are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"
Psalms 82:6:
"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you a god to Pharaoh"
Exodus 7:1
"the god of this world (the Devil) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not."
2 Corinthians 4:4
What does all of this mean? Let me explain.
In the West, it is common when one wishes to praise someone to say "You are a prince," or "You are an angel" ..etc. When someone says this do they mean that that person is the son of the King of England, or a divine spiritual being? There is a very slight grammatical difference between saying "You are a prince" and between saying "You are THE prince," however, the difference in meaning is quite dramatic.
Further, it is necessary when translating a verse to also take into account the meaning as understood by the people of that age who spoke that language. One of the biggest problems with the Bible as it stands today is that it forces us to look at ancient Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures through Greek and Latin glasses as seen by people who are neither Jews, Greeks, nor Romans. All of the so called "original" manuscripts of the NT available today are written in Greek or Latin. The Jews had no trouble reading such verses as Psalms 82:6, and Exodus 7:1, while still affirming that there is only one God in existence and vehemently denying the divinity of all but God Almighty. It is the continuous filtration of these manuscripts through different languages and cultures as well as the Roman Catholic church's extensive efforts to completely destroy all of the original Hebrew Gospels (see last quarter of this chapter) which has led to this misunderstanding of the verses.
The Americans have a saying: "Hit the road men." It means "It is time for you to leave." However, if a non-American were to receive this command without any explanation then it is quite possible that we would find him beating the road with a stick. Did he understand the words? Yes! Did he understand the meaning? No!
In the Christian church we would be hard pressed to find a single priest or nun who does not address their followers as "my children." They would say: "Come here my children", or "Be wary of evil my children" ... etc. What do they mean?
A fact that many people do not realize is that around 200AD spoken Hebrew had virtually disappeared from everyday use as a spoken language. It was not until the 1880s that a conscious effort was made by Eliezer Ben-Yehudah to revive the dead language. Only about a third of current spoken Hebrew and basic grammatical structures come from biblical and Mishnaic sources. The rest was introduced in the revival and includes elements of other languages and cultures including the Greek and Arabic languages.
Even
worse than these two examples are cases when translation into a different
languages can result in a reversal of the meaning. For example, in the
West, when someone loves something they say "It warmed my heart."
In the
2) Basic message of John:
Now that we have seen the correct translation of the verse of John 1:1, let us go a little further in our study of the intended meaning of this verse. This verse was taken from the "Gospel of John." The very best person to ask to explain what is meant by a given statement is the author of that statement himself. So let us ask "John" what is his mental picture of God and Jesus (pbuh) which he wishes to convey to us:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."
John 13:16.
So the author of John tells us that God is greater than Jesus. If the author of this Gospel did indeed wish us to understand that Jesus and God are "one and the same," then can someone be greater than himself? Similarly,
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
John 14:28.
Can someone "go" to himself? Can someone be "greater" than himself?
"These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:"
John 17:1.
If John meant to tell us that "Jesus and God are one and the same" then shall we understand from this verse that God is saying to Himself "Self, glorify me so that I may glorify myself"? Does this sound like this is the message of John?
"While I (Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy (God's) name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
John 17:12.
If the author of John wanted us to believe that Jesus and God are one person then are we to understand from this verse that God is saying to Himself "Self, while I was in the world I kept them in your name, self. Those who I gave to myself I have kept ..."? Is this what the author intended us to understand from his writings?
"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world."
John 17:24.
Similarly, did the author intend us to interpret this as "Self, I will that they also whom I have given myself be with me where I am; that they my behold my glory which I have given myself, for I loved myself before the foundation of the world"?
So, we begin to see that in order to understand the writings of a given author, it is necessary to not take a single quotation from him in a vacuum and then interpret his whole message based upon that one sentence (and a badly mistranslated version of that sentence at that).
3) Who wrote the "Gospel of John"?:
The "Gospel of John" is popularly believed by the majority of regular church-goers to be the work of the apostle John the son of Zebedee. However, when consulting Christianity's more learned scholars of Church history, we find that this is far from the case. These scholars draw our attention to the fact that internal evidence provides serious doubt as to whether the apostle John the son of Zebedee wrote this Gospel himself. In the dictionary of the Bible by John Mckenzie we read
"A. Feuillet notes that authorship here may be taken loosely."
Such
claims are based on such verses as
"This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true."?
Did
the apostle John write this about himself? Also see
Further,
The Gospel of John was written at or near
"Since the beginning of the period of modern critical study, however, there has been much controversy about [the Gospel of John's] authorship, place of origin, theological affiliations and background, and historical value"
The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 2, Abingdon Press, p. 932
4) Who "inspired" the author of this gospel to write this verse?:
The words of John 1:1 are acknowledged by most reputable Christian scholar of the Bible as the words of another Jew, Philo of Alexandria (20BC-50AD), who claimed no divine inspiration for them and who wrote them decades before the "gospel of John" was ever conceived. Groliers encyclopedia has the following to say under the heading "Logos"("the word"):
"Heraclitus
was the earliest Greek thinker to make logos a central concept ......In the New
Testament, the Gospel According to
T. W. Doane says:
"The works of Plato were extensively studied by the Church Fathers, one of whom joyfully recognizes in the great teacher, the schoolmaster who, in the fullness of time, was destined to educate the heathen for Christ, as Moses did the Jews. The celebrated passage : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word Was God" is a fragment of some Pagan treatise on the Platonic philosophy, evidently written by Irenaeus. It is quoted by Amelius, a Pagan philosopher as strictly applicable to the Logos, or Mercury, the Word, apparently as an honorable testimony borne to the Pagan deity by a barbarian........We see then that the title "Word" or "Logos," being applied to Jesus, is another piece of Pagan amalgamation with Christianity. It did not receive its authorized Christian form until the middle of the second century after Christ. The ancient pagan Romans worshipped a Trinity. An oracle is said to have declared that there was 'First God, then the Word, and with them the Spirit'. Here we see the distinctly enumerated, God, the Logos, and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, in ancient Rome, where the most celebrated temple of this capital - that of Jupiter Capitolinus - was dedicated to three deities, which three deities were honored with joint worship."
From Bible Myths and their parallels in other religions, pp. 375-376.
6) What was "The Word"?
"O people of the book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which he bestowed upon Mary, and a spirit preceding from him so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not "Three," desist! It will be better for you, for Allah is one God. Glory be to him. Far exalted is he above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and the earth. And enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs."
The noble Qur'an, Al-Nissa(4):171
In the Qur'an we are told that when God Almighty wills something he merely says to it "Be" and it is.
"Verily! Our (Allah's) Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it "Be!" - and it is"
The noble Qur'an, Al-Nahil(16):40 (please also read chapter 14)
This is the Islamic viewpoint of "The Word." "The Word" is literally God's utterance "Be." This is held out by the Bible where thirteen verses later in John 1:14 we read:
"And the Word was made flesh".
In the Qur'an, we read:
"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be.' And he was."
The noble Qur'an, Aal-Umran(3):59.
Regarding what is meant by Allah by "a spirit preceding from him" I shall simply let Allah Himself explain:
"And [remember] when Allah said to the angles: 'I shall create a human (Adam) from sounding clay, from altered mud. So when I have fashioned him and have breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down in prostration before him'"
The noble Qur'an, Al-Hijr(15):29
For more on this topic, please read section 1.2.3.8
Let us once again update our table:
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Dan 7:13
(GNB) During
this vision in the night, I saw what looked like a human being. He was
approaching me, surrounded by clouds, and he went to the one who had been living forever and was
presented to him.
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(CEV) As I continued to watch the vision that
night, I saw what looked like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven, and he was
presented to the Eternal God.
Compare Open http://www.2001translation.com/Daniel.htm
Armageddon – When? Open http://www.2001translation.com/Armageddon.htm
And Open http://www.nazarene-friends.org/nazcomm/27/default.htm
DANIEL 2 & 7 –
WORLD RULE AND GOD’S KINGDOM
The Library Advocates that each person Thoroughly examine their Churches
Statement of Faith or Beliefs and agree with it before becoming a member
It Is Doubtful That Those That Teach Mystery Doctrines
And/Or Unscriptural
Traditions Will Stop Doing So—Why ?
(1) Because
they control the common people with them---as did the Jewish Teachers
controlled their Flocks (as Jesus pointed out)
With their Traditional Teachings –A
lot of people look up to mystery Teachers because they have been inculcated (taught)
to
Believe these Teachers have been
Blest from above.
(2) Because
They control the common people with them---And for the most part –the people
like them --and to them
it does not matter if they are Scriptural or Unscriptural --- Compare Matt
Einstein on socialism (1484 bytes)
http://www.wordiq.com/dictionary/inculcated
4: ...this evil. An
exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is
trained to worship acqui...
Jesus said the Truth will set you Free—
He didn’t say a Myth will set you Free.
John 8:32
MenWhoSuppressTheTruthRom1-18.htm---
Is done by Teachings of men made Traditions ---That is the most
unnoticed way !!!!
It is Amazing what Translators will do
to serve tradition----Open http://www.eliyah.com/compref.html
The primary reasoning for the word was God ---(in Jn 1.1)-is 'tradition'. In other words,
"As long as
everyone else does it, it must be okay".
This statement runs true in the majority of modern English translations.
Open FlockInTheDARK.htm And Open AFact.htm
True Disciples Are Not Stuck in Man Made Traditional Teachings ---
They Continue in Jesus’ Word-- and His Apostles Teachings
and Their Traditions Only---2 Tim 3 -16-17 –Rev 22-16-21 imitating versses
For more clarity Open and study the
verses that pertain to imitate and mystery
Imitate.htm and MysteryPlusVerses.htm
See C/h STATEMENTsAboutManyChurchesBeliefs.htm
For a Quick Summary About Bibles --- Open BibleDiscussionsPlus.htm
Review of Heb 1-3 Ten Bibles At Once
Vine’s substance---- in Heb. 1:3,
Latin Vulgate
1:3 qui cum
sit splendor gloriae et figura substantiae eius portansque omnia verbo virtutis suae
purgationem peccatorum faciens sedit ad dexteram Maiestatis in excelsis
King James Version
1:3 Who
being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his
person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself
purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
American Standard
Version
1:3 who
being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all
things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat
down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Bible in Basic English
1:3 Who,
being the outshining of his glory, the true image of his substance, supporting all things by the word of
his power, having given himself as an offering making clean from sins, took his
seat at the right hand of God in heaven;
Darby's English
Translation
1:3 who
being the effulgence of his glory and the expression of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of
his power, having made by himself the purification of sins, set himself
down on the right hand of the greatness on high,
Douay Rheims
1:3 Who
being the brightness of his glory, and the figure of his substance, and upholding all
things by the word of his power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right
hand of the majesty on high.
Noah Webster Bible
1:3 Who
being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself made
purification of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Weymouth New Testament
1:3 He
brightly reflects God's glory and is the exact representation of His being,
and upholds the universe by His all-powerful word. After securing man's purification
from sin He took His seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
World English Bible
1:3 His Son
is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things
by the word of his power, when he had by himself made purification for our
sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Young's Literal
Translation
1:3 who
being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the
all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a
cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the
highest,
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The primary
reasoning for-- the word was God – (in Jn 1.1)--is 'tradition'. In other words,
"As long as
everyone else does it, it must be okay".
This statement runs true in the majority of modern English translations.
Review The Unbiblical Words Spoken of BY Oneness and Tri-Phantom God
Non-Biblical Words and Phrases –To Try to Control People
with Them-- Here are Some
Spoken of BY Oneness
and Tri-Phantom God --So Called Theologians--- God the Son,-God-Man,-God begat God ,- Jesus is God, The
Holy Spirit is God in the 3rd
Person--Jesus eternally existed as one with the Father, Not make or
Created out of any act of will by the Father, The Son is equal or co-equal to the Father,
God came in the flesh,. God sacrificed himself to himself. God is three in one,
God is two in One. One and One is One
--Three in one is One. One and One and Onnee equals One. None of these Words or
Phases exists in God’s Inspired written Vocabulary Open BadWordsInTheBIBLES.htm
So Who Is Lying At John 1.1 Review (open) JOHN1onePLUS.htm and continue on here
Heb 1:2 has in
these last days spoken to us by a Son whom he appointed to
be the heir of everything and through whom he also made the universe.
Heb
Heb
Heb 3:13 Instead, continue to encourage one another
every day, as long as it is called "Today," so that none of you may
be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb
Rev 3:12 I will make the one
who conquers a pillar in the sanctuary of my God, and he will never go out of it again. I will write on him the name
of my God, the name of the city of my God (the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God), and my own
new name.
Psa 36:9
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(CEV) The life-giving fountain belongs to you, and
your light gives light to each of us.
(GNB) You are the source of all life, and because of
your light we see the light.
(GW) Indeed, the fountain of life is with you. In
your light we see light.
(KJV) For with thee is
the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.
(KJV+) For3588
with5973 thee is the fountain4726
of life:2416 in thy light216 shall we see7200
light.216
(LITV) For with You is
the fountain of life; in Your light we see light.
(MKJV) For with You is
the fountain of life; in Your light we shall see light.
(MSG) You're a fountain of cascading light, and you
open our eyes to light.
Click on LORD
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Psalms 36:5-12 - [Verse 9 in Original Hebrew]
5 Your lovingkindness,
O LORD,
extends to the heavens,
Your faithfulness
reaches to the skies.
6 Your righteousness
is like the mountains
of God;
Your judgments
are like a great
deep.
O LORD,
You preserve
man
and beast.
7 How
precious
is Your lovingkindness,
O God
! And the children
of men
take
refuge
in the shadow
of Your wings.
8 They drink
their fill
of the abundance
of Your house;
And You give
them to drink
of the river
of Your delights.
9 For with You is the fountain
of life;
In Your light
we see
light.
10 O continue
Your lovingkindness
to those who know
You, And Your righteousness
to the upright
in heart.
11 Let not the foot
of pride
come
upon me, And let not the hand
of the wicked
drive
me away.
12 There
the doers
of iniquity
have fallen;
They have been thrust
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I
should bear witness unto the truth.
John 5-26 For as the Father hath life
in himself;
so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself,---
(John 6:36) But I said to you that you also have seen Me and did
not believe.
(John 6:37) All that the Father gives to Me shall come to
Me, and the one coming to Me I will
in no way cast out.
(John 6:38) For
I have come down out of Heaven, not that I should
do My will, but the will of Him who sent me.
(John 6:39) And this is the will of the Father sending
Me, that of all that He has given Me, I shall not lose any
of it,
but shall raise it up in the last
day.
(John 6:40) And this is the will of the One sending Me, that everyone seeing the Son and
believing into Him should have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the
last day.
To those who know you
O continue
Your lovingkindness
to those who know
You, And Your righteousness
to the upright
in heart.
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Would Know The Truth and Not Myths— Open AFact.htm
----Sbt ‘s Question is ---IS The— FlockInTheDARK.htm
Review Godgod.htm And AGODagod.htm Open
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Lying And Lies.htm
A lie is a statement that is untrue, when the falsity of the statement is known or suspected by the speaker. Depending on definitions, a lie can be a genuine falsehood or a selective truth, a lie by omission, or even the truth if the intention is to deceive or to cause an action not in the listener's interests. To lie is to tell a lie. A person who tells a lie, and especially a person who habitually tells lies, is a liar.
Lying is against the moral standards of many people and is specifically prohibited as a sin in many religions. Ethical traditions and philosopers are divided over whether a lie is ever allowable but are generally opposed - Plato said yes, whereas Aristotle, Saint Augustine and Kant said no.
Pants On Fire Compare Open
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The Bible interprets it self Compare Open 21:8
CommentaryPhp2-6 Who’s Testimony is Right ***Jesus’*** or The Trinitarian/Oneness Commentaries.
Compare Jesus’ Jn 5:36-Jn
14:28-Jn
10:29
Jn 5:20
Here
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Spirit, if there is any compassion and sympathy, R23 2 then fill
me with joy by having the same attitude, sharing the same love, being united
in spirit, and keeping one purpose in mind. R24 3 Do not act
out of selfish ambition or conceit, but with humility think of others as
being better than yourselves. R25 4 Do not be
concerned about your own interests, but also be concerned about F19 the interests of others. R26 5 Have the
same attitude among yourselves F20 that was also in Christ Jesus: F21 R27 6 In
God's own form existed he, R28 And shared with God equality,
Deemed nothing needed grasping. 7 Instead, poured out in
emptiness, R29 A servant's form did he possess,
A mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be, 8 And
lived in all humility, R30 Death on a cross obeying. 9 Now
lifted up by God to heaven, R31 A name above all others given,
This matchless name possessing. 10 And so, when Jesus'
name is called, R32 The knees of everyone should
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