PreExistenceOfChrist

Pre-Existence Of Christ-- Some believe-- There is no question that Jesus “existed” before the world began. But did he exist literally as a person or in God’s foreknowledge, “in the mind of God?” Both Christ and the Body of Christ, and the Church, existed in God’s foreknowledge before being alive. Christ was the “logos,” the “plan” of God from the beginning, and he became flesh only when he was conceived.

Some believe Jesus didn’t exist as a real separate Spirit Being (Person) until He was born of Mary –Died and then went to Heaven and became the

Spirit Being that is in the Book of Revelations.

The Statement above Appears To Claim They Can Read God’s Mind—You Make Your Own Conclusion

SBT Commentary

Jesus is truly the complete expression of God’s thoughts. Not a Unbiblical Thought of His God

And Father’s Mind --That is Why He is called the Word of God at Rev 19-13 and in other verses.

God created man with free thought and Logic—Logic dictates that God needed no creation and chose freely to give his firstborn Spirit Son all that is –as he was the master craftsman to all—Jesus later choose freely to purchase (or bought) sinful mankind the way His God and Father purposed it. Open ExpressionOfaThoughtPlusArchOrArc.htm

God's Final Word in His Son Open WeHaveTheWordOfYahweh.htm

. Open FirstBorn.htm And FREEasGOD.htm-- DenyingJesus.htm--JOHN316.htm Compare 1 Cor 7-22-23 Here’s 2001 Translation 22 because anyone (in unity with the Lord) who was called as a slave has become free in the Lord. And whoever was called when free, is a slave of the Anointed One. 23 You were bought and paid for, so stop becoming slaves to men. 24 So brothers, it doesn’t matter what condition each [of you] were called in, just stay that way, next to God. http://www.2001translation.com/First_Corinthians.htm#_The_Anointed

Prov8-22

In the past, commentators and translators who held to the Trinity/Oneness and No Jesus before Mary doctrines argued that qa·nah´ should here be rendered “possessed.” Qa·nah´ can convey the sense of either “acquire (possess)” or “produce.” (Gen. 4:1; Deut. 32:6; Ps. 139:13; Neh. 5:16) But scholars acknowledge that the context here points to the rendering “produced” or “created,” since verses 24 and 25 speak of Wisdom as being “brought forth “ This rendering is borne out by the Greek Septuagint, the Syriac Peshitta Version and the Targums. So now even translations by Trinitarians, such as the Catholic Jerusalem Bible, use the rendering “produced” or “created.”

Review all the below TRANSLATIONS After the NIV Note–Open Prov8-22.htm

Proverbs 8:22 From The NIV Translation Notes

Accuracy Defined & Illustrated Page 65

Proverbs 8:22 is a passage that contains two different issues reflecting new insights from Ugaritic. First, the word traditionally rendered "possess" (qanah) is attested in Ugaritic with the meaning "create, bring forth"; and the NN reflected this new insight in its translation of Genesis 14:19, 22, where the traditional translation was kept in the footnote. Similarly in Proverbs 8:22 the new meaning was expressed in the text while the traditional rendering was retained in the footnote, thus leaving it more open to the christological view of some interpreters. 12

Second, the word translated "way" (derek) is attested in Ugaritic with a range of meaning, including "dominion" or "work," which can fit in this context along with the new meaning found for qanah ("create"). 13 New light on drk also eexplains the NIV translation of Amos 8:14, where it is rendered "god" (with a footnote, "power"). Apparently derek was an epithet for the deity, "the power of Beersheba," but other suggestions have also been made far understanding this verse.

Compare Many Different Translations---on Prov8-22.htm

open and read verses 24 and 25 in any Bible.

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Open possessed-- word=Qanah -0511 And Strong's Number: 03205- Open beget

Ps36-9.htm

Compare different Commentaries 17:5

"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

kai nun docason me su, pater, para seautw| th| doch| h| eixon (5707) pro tou ton kosmon einai (5750) para soi.

Some believe-- There is no question that Jesus “existed” before the world began. But did he exist literally as a person or in God’s foreknowledge, “in the mind of God?” Both Christ and the Body of Christ, and the Church, existed in God’s foreknowledge before being alive. Christ was the “logos,” the “plan” of God from the beginning, and he became flesh only when he was conceived.

Some believe Jesus didn’t exist as a real separate Spirit Being (Person) until He was born of Mary –Died and then went to Heaven and became the

Spirit Being that is in the Book of Revelations..

BCC -> Commentary on 17:5
DSN -> Synopsis on 17:5
GEB -> Study Notes on 17:5
GSB -> Study Notes on 17:5
JFB -> Commentary on 17:5
MHC-COM -> Commentary on 17:5
MHC-CON -> Commentary on 17:5
PNT -> Commentary on 17:5
RWP -> Study Notes on 17:5
TFG -> Commentary on 17:5
TSK -> Commentary on 17:5 TSK -> Entry for 17:5
WEN -> Notes on 17:5
NTB -> God; Jesus, The Christ; Jesus, The Christ (continued); Prayer
EBD -> Glorify; Perseverance of the saints
WJD -> Devotional using 17:5
WJD -> Devotional using 17:5

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· Darby's Synopsis
· Geneva Study Bible
· Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
· Matthew Henry Complete
· Matthew Henry Concise
· People's New Testament
· Robertson's Word Pictures
· The Fourfold Gospel
· Treasury of Scripture
· Wesley's Explanatory Notes

1 Cor 15:10

But by the grace of God I am what I am,---Is Paul The Great I am,

I AM what I AM Jesus/Jehovah or Paul Study I-AM.htm