Two Beginnings or More. The Nicene Creeds Lie about this. Compare Wikipedia--Nicene Creeds-Plus-When Did Jesus Become God1--Denying Jesus Life.

Jesus Has Two Beginnings Both ScripturalJesus -Second One Was On Earth –

The more maybe said to be his resurrection in spirit form materialized to appear fleshly at will. 2 Pet. 3:18 Open =Jesus+dead+i+flesh+raised+up+in+spirit&ie

Flesh and blood and bone can not enter into heaven Open =Flesh+and+blood+and+bone+can+not+enter+into+heavenAdd Your Comment.

Who Can Deny That Jesus’ Father and God did not Create The Flesh and Blood (Jesus)-1Cor  5:21

Compare these articles Proverb-8-22-MB First Born --PreExistenceOfChrist  Prov8-22--Prov-8-22-introduction

Beginnings.  He made (Jesus) Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the 

righteousness of God in Him. 1Cor 5:21


<< Hebrews 10:4 >>

When Christ came into the world he said: “‘Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but you (Yahweh) have prepared a body for me.
6 “‘You have no pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.’
7 “Then I said: (Jesus) ‘I have come in the scroll of the book. It is written about me, to do your will, O God.’ Open (Jesus)
8 Then he said: “You did not want nor did you approve of sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin;” which are offered by the Law.
9 He also said: (
Jesus) “I come to do your will, O God.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
10 We are sanctified by his “will” through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.- Open
<< Hebrews 10:4 >>


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 (Yahweh )Declared Him By an Angel that His Name-- Would Become Jesus--- Mat 1:20 1:21 Open (Yahweh )

***Who Makes Things Become***

Answer--- Jesus’ Father and God Yahweh

 Yahweh Made Salvation Become Real Through What He Created ---

Jesus in The Flesh----No Mystery Here According to one Jewish tradition,

the Tetragrammaton is related to the causative form, the imperfect state, of the

Hebrew verb הוה (ha?wah; become); meaning "He will cause to become" usually understood as "He causes to become

 The Meaning of Jesus’ Name  <1,,2424,iesous> Open Jesus  
is a transliteration of the Heb. "Joshua," meaning "
Jehovah is salvation," i.e.,


 Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

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1Cor  5:21 NASB w/Strong’s

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

ton mh gnonta (5631) amartian uper hmwn amartian epoihsen, (5656) ina hmeiv genwmeqa (5638) dikaiosunh qeou en autw. 

  1. to make
    1. with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.
    2. to be the authors of, the cause ?number=4160

He will cause to become" usually understood as "He causes to become-

 First in Heaven— Prov 8-22-30---

Confirms Gen-1-26

 Next Big Confirmations---John 1-1-18--- John 17-5   Col 1 -15  Heb 1 1-5 --

John 1.1 and  -- Jesus’ Own Words at John 17-5 says Jesus was*** with*** His Father and God ---He was Praying to

before the world was. Jesus was Real before the world was.

 17:5 - In Context | Read Chapter | Discuss this Verse ]
[ Original: Greek | Multi-Translation | Make Poster ]

"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.


No Jesus before Mary doctrines and Oneness and Tri-ism Deny the word ***with*** Myths

Word to be only a thought of Yahweh Some Say

 There is no question that Jesus “existed” before the world began.

But did he exist literally as a person or in God’s foreknowledge, “in the mind of God?”

Open John 17:5-And Pre Existence Of Christ.htm and DenyingJesus.htm


 Big Confirmations Prov8-22.htm Rev 1.1 then Rev 3-12-14 open Rev 3-14.htm

Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;

These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness,

the beginning of the creation of God;

Theology in Harmony from Gen 1:26 3:22 Prov8-22 to Rev 1:1 11:1 Rev 22-16-21 and Heb 13:8.Matt 28:18 .

Tradition Plus Verses –2 of 3—1 is MysteryVersesPlusMore.htm 3 is Imitate.htm

 Who Do You Imitate -----Man Made Traditions --or Jesus’ Teachinngs and

His Apostles Teachings –Rev Rev22-16-21.htm 22:16-6-19 ( click [In Context|)

Open 2 Tim 3:17- 3:16-- -->Imitate.htm

 When the second half of Jn 1.1 is Translated--- the word was God---Instead of God Like

Which Means –( Open Theology.htm) The Image of God in all other Verses—Translators Must Harmonize God’s

Written words so---- they do not contradict His Composite Message for us—as----Written in  Heb 1-1-3 and

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Which Means --God’s Spokesman—Rev 3-14.htm the faithful and true witness

Heb 1-3 [In Context] (GW)  His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being. (God Like)

He holds everything together through his powerful words. After he had cleansed people from their sins, he received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven.

 (ISV)  He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness (God Like) of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word.

 After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty

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And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

ov wn (5752) apaugasma thv dochv kai xarakthr thv upostasewv autou, ferwn (5723)

te ta panta tw rhmati thv dunamewv autou, kaqarismon twn amartiwn poihsamenov (5671)

 ekaqisen (5656) en decia thv megalwsunhv en uyhloiv,

Did Jesus Really Say

That the Father is the Only True God? to Worship

 Open Jesus Worshipers Or Father Only.htm -From A Restoration Light Publication

Examining the Supposed Incommunicable Attributes of God-Open/    Heb1- 1-5

1 Long ago, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets in many places and in many ways. 2 And in the last part of these days, He spoke to us through a Son who he made the heir to everything... the one that He used to create the (open) ages. 3 He shines with the same glory, is (open) the exact image of His being, and is responsible for everything that’s said through His power. And after he cleansed us of our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Great One in the highest places. 4 He has become so much greater than the [other] messengers [of God] and so different, that he has inherited a [special] name among them.

5 For example, to which of His [other] messengers did He ever say, ‘You’re my son. Today I’ve become your father.’ Or, ‘I will become his Father and he will become My son.’ 6 And again, when He brings His (open)  firstborn into the earth He says, ‘Let all of God’s messengers bow low to him.’

 Question --Do you see the word substance in any of the above Translations?

 Now Open and Compare These 4 Bibles at once


English: King James Version

English: Webster's Bible

English: Basic English Bible

English: World English Bible


Hebrews 1-3  [Context] [Commentary]

 Open Context and Compare and see how many Bibles use the word substance in Verse 3

 And the very image of his substance" is somewhat ambiguous in the common versions; and the scholars give its meaning variously

 Vine’s substance----in Heb. 1:3,

derived from a present participial form of eimi, "to be," denotes "substance, property," Luke
15:12,13, RV, "substance," AV, "goods" and "substance."

for which see CONFIDENCE, A No. 2, is translated "substance" (a)
in Heb. 1:3, of Christ as "the very image" of God's "substance;"

here the word has the meaning of the real nature of that to which reference is made in contrast to the outward manifestation (see the preceding clause);

it speaks of the Divine essence of God existent and expressed in the revelation of His Son. The AV, "person" is an anachronism;

the word was not so rendered till the 4th cent. Most of the earlier Eng. versions have "substance;" (b) in Heb. 11:1 it has the meaning of "confidence, assurance"

(RV), marg., "the giving substance to," AV, "substance," something that could not equally be expressed by elpis, "hope."  - something located at a time when it couuldd not have existed or occurred

 One of the most common uses of the term restricts it to the ante-dating of events, circumstances or customs.

 It can be used to imply a neglect or falsification, whether deliberate or accidental, of chronological relation.

 Example (5) In Bad Words In The BIBLES.htm

 Substance or exact likeness / exact representation----vs--- homoosios (same substance as)

 Heb 1-310 Bibles at Once Open

 homoosios (same substance as)

 So Why Do People Like To Believe the Unscriptural Word Homoousion

The only True (BiblicalLOGISTICS.htm) Explanation is that the men of The Nicene Creed---- must have thought that

 the Holy Writings were inadequate  ---and that would logically*** insult*** the Divine Author---Or

They were Simply being Fooled to Please their Father Recorded at John 8 -44 –

The Trinity is a Myth –The Biggest one ever—Jesus said the Truth will set you Free—He didn’t say a Myth will set you Free. John 8:32

Here is a Sample of  what is in  Trinity Reference Library 2.htm

No (4) -- The big thing about Nicene Creed---- Most held out at first for Scriptural language and expression to make clear against the Arians what the catholic doctrine had been,

but as the discussions progressed it became evident that there was no Scriptural vocabulary which would correctly express the orthodox teaching.

They lighted on a philosophical term, homoosios (same substance as) to express what they meant and what had always been the catholic teaching,

 but there was still needed a formula to summarize and convey their meaning----

 For Full Article Open

Jesus Has Two Created Beginnings Both Scriptural------One as the only begotten Spirit son of God

and Then The Flesh and Blood Jesus---

Did Jesus Teach The Trinity----"If you continue in My word,-----Open TrinitySimplified.htm

 The truth will set you free ---He didn’t say a Myth will set you freee –Open- AFact.htm

 The primary reasoning for--- the word was God----is 'tradition'. In other words,

 "As long as everyone else does it, it must be okay". Open -JOHN1onePLUS.htm

This statement runs true in the majority of modern English translations-Open-Tradition Plus Verses.htm

John 17-23   ADDITIONAL STUDY For more comparison

  · Burton Coffman
 · Darby's Synopsis
 · Gill's Exposition
 · Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
 · Matthew Henry Complete
 · Matthew Henry Concise
 · People's New Testament
 · Robertson's Word Pictures
 · Scofield Reference Notes
 · The Fourfold Gospel
 · Treasury of Scripture
 · Wesley's Explanatory Notes

22 ‘I have also given them the glory that You gave me, so they can be in unity as we are in unity, 23 I in them and You in me. In this way,

they can be perfected into one, so the world may know that You sent me and that You love them just as You love me.

What does exact representation mean in human Language—The Bible interprets itself 

Perfect in unity of mind ---thought and purpose ---John 17- 22-23 Open Context  

John 17:20-23 - [Verse 20 in Original Greek]

20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us,

so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

 22 "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me,

and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

exact representation  Strong’s No.5481 

  1. the instrument used for engraving or carving
  2. the mark stamped upon that instrument or wrought out on it
    1. a mark or figure burned in (Lev. 13:
  3. or stamped on, an impression

1.      the exact expression (the image) of any person or thing, marked likeness, precise reproduction in every respect, i.e facsimile

Review Commentaries.htm  The eternal existence of Christ, Is not BiblicalIt comes from homoosios

And the like of----Read  AFact.htm  And Open AAisJesusRealToYOU.htm

Where I am ...
Prophetically, Jesus was already at home with the Father when this prayer was uttered. See under John 14:1-3 where the same thought prevails.

"Before the foundation of the world ..." See under John 17:5 and John 1:1-11. The eternal existence of Christ, (sbt-notes Bonus) his deity,

incarnation, and visit to humanity as "the Dayspring from on high" (Luke 1:78) - these are all in view here.

The ministry of Christ was but an interlude in the eternal life of that great "I AM" who was before Abraham was born and before all creation.



I AM God!
I AM The Son of God


 AA is Jesus Real To YOU.htm 

AND Trinity ReferenceLibrary2.htm


–                   SO HELP US ALL Y.eH.oW.aH  in English Jehovah 

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If You go to a Congregation that Teaches all the Above ---You can feel Safe and not Sorry about that--

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